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In this weird global war that so often tries to hide its name and nature, I frequently end up defining "free people" along a broad line that echoes Irish Nationalists during the first World Ward. Thus, unless you see America's difficulty as your opportunity, you're - broadly - on the right side of the drift, even if you're not as pro-American as I am. For all of us therefore, September 11 should be a day of grieving and remembrance — unless, again, you see the violent slaughter of nearly 3,000 non-combatants (many of whom were not even American nationals) by a bunch of lowlifes whose only achievement was to memorize and recite verses of the Koran, as a globally appreciable perspective.

While our thoughts today should rightly go to those of us who lost a wife or a husband, a father or a mother, a daughter or a son that day, I believe it should also be a day of renewed calls to step-up the defensive war into which Muslims have, yet again, forced us - and I find rather fitting that General Petraeus' testimony began yesterday, and will continue tomorrow. Defensive is fine, but it's more than time we see some offensive.

It should also be a day to reassert the superiority of Judeo-Christian civilization over the fatally flawed and ultimately failed Islamic one - and if what I've just wrote shocks you even in the slightest, then you obviously were not paying attention to the last 1,500 years. You're missing something, Pal.

I was hoping that the return of zombie bin Laden would provide me with enough material for that, but it seems that the masters pulling the string of this video puppet have succumbed to the same mental disease as some of our most prominent Idiotarians, and this new opus in the Sheik Osama the Caveman series is a painfully preposterous hodgepodge of simplistic Islamo-Leftist drivel — so much so that if I was Al Gore I would be quite embarrassed by now and would never dare to utter the words "global warming" again, by fear of the ridicule.

Yet even before he fell to such depth of sheer stupidity, bin Laden was hardly cleverer. I've frequently wondered how he could be stupid enough — and incredibly ignorant of History — to think he could take just one big shot at Western civilians and interests — and not just any Western nation with that, but the most powerful one — and believe we would all bow into submission and beg for mercy. I suspect he's been watching and listening too much Western media and pundits, was induced to see a deceptive façade of weakness and decadence and ultimately fooled himself as a result; Well, what do you know? Maybe our biased media played its part, albeit involuntarily, in the reverse psychology department.

Now this war doesn't start or end with bin Laden of course; however if any of the following turbaned talking head is representative of the rest, Islamic ignorance of History and of the true nature of the West is equally shared among our enemies — which, I hasten to add, is a very good thing indeed.

In their confused mix of Zionist conspiracy and war-for-oil theories, we can extract an awfully familiar rhetoric for whoever has even a basic knowledge of hostile Western encounters with non-Western and anti-Western cultures — and of the consistent outcome.
If the Bab Al-Mandab straits are closed, America will be over and done with. They cannot exist without their life artery, which is oil. The battle will not be just in Darfur, like the president of Sudan said. It will be throughout Sudan. 15% of the American oil comes from West Africa. The mujahideen are deployed throughout Africa. They should take it into consideration. They will meet their death and destruction in Sudan. They will not come to an end in Iraq. Their annihilation will be in Sudan.

Sudan has mountains and plains. It is the most beautiful place in which our sheik, Bin Laden, can operate.[...]

(Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.)

let's use [Bin Laden] to scare them. By Allah, they are terrified of him. Aren't they terrified of him? He is destroying them. He was here once – let's bring him again. He will come.[...]

They have a tank called Abrams. By Allah, we have a remedy for this tank, which will make it melt. The tank will melt. Allah Akbar.[...]

Those scum bags want to play with us? They want to come to the children of Darfur? The children of Darfur will eat them alive. By Allah, there are some ferocious tribes there. They call them Janjaweed, and they want to attack them. There is a tribe called "Al-Masiriya." Are they men or not? By Allah, when we ride horses and make these battle cries... By Allah, the infidels die of fear. They die of fear.[...]

I don't want to go on, brothers. We have done talking. Let them do the talking – the Americans, the British, and NATO, who covet the Sudanese oil, and minerals of Darfur and Moya, and who look for uranium, and want to... By Allah, we don't care about any of this. All we want is to die for the sake of Allah. Just a bullet here – and you are gone. Let them come – by Allah, we will teach them a lesson.

Whenever I hear this kind of empty Allah bragging and saber rattling, quite typical of the Arabo-Muslim world, it reminds me of the Aztecs. And the Persian empire. And the Soviets, the Ottomans, the Nazis, Imperial Japan and the Zulus. It reminds me of Nikita Khrushchev, Abd ar-Rahman, Ali Pasha and Saddam Hussein. All those who thought they could look at free Westerners, be they Spaniards, British, Americans, and at times even French and think "We will bury you" — but ultimately were all buried by us. All those braggarts who thought that just because they had sheer numbers, religious fanaticism or radical ideology on their side, they could overwhelm and defeat us in a snap — and then learned the hard and definitive way that whatever the quantity, their imperial armies, holy warriors or brainwashed troops were no match for our citizen-soldiers, be they Hoplites, Redcoats, Conquistadores, Marines or Legionnaires.

Brother By Allah over there, and bin Laden before him, is making the same mistake. Like the Marxists, who thought wrongly that History was on someone's side (and their own, just to be wrong twice), he fails to see what we've known for centuries: that History is on the side of whoever is making it. We know that because for the last 2,500 years, History was made by us, the free, democratic, individualist and capitalist Judeo-Christian societies who trace their heritage back to Rome and Ancient Greece.

We invented individual freedom, secured private property and developed scientific enquiry free from religious constraint, upon which we created an economic system, Capitalism, that makes us individually more wealthy and collectively more powerful and resilient than any other caliphate, dictatorship, empire or People's Republic in History.

We're still here to tell the story. They're done for.

We can project Western power anywhere in the world, and we've been doing so from Alexander to Petraeus. No matter how misguided, even a weakened French military has boots and wheels on the ground - for instance, and unilaterally mind you - in Ivory Coast at this very moment; By Allah, wake me up when you spot U.S.S. Mahomet off the shore of Coney Island, when the Taliban Task Force lands at Omaha Beach, or when the Janjaweed Bomber Command flies missions over London.

After bin Laden's attack on America, George Bush went about his business in the White House and moved freely around the world; after America's counter-attack on Afghanistan, bin Laden went hiding in a cave. Saddam Hussein found himself a hole in the ground. Americans, Australians, Canadians and other Western militaries are based and taking down "mighty" mujahedeen in Dar al-Islam by the thousands, yet there is no Islamic Green Zone in Washington, Ottawa or Canberra(1). In 1967, tiny Israel took back Jerusalem in less time than it took God to finish his whole Creation business and have a Sunday nap, while defeating the entire "mighty" Arab armies single handedly in the process. By Allah, who is teaching lessons to whom again?

When we lose battles — and yes, we sometimes lose battles — it is more often than not the result of wavering politicians or incompetent generals, and very rarely the inability of our armies - particularly in the face of ragtag guerillas and turban-clad terrorists. The very nature of our societies and of our economy means that we can — and do — change the politicians and decommission the incompetents in order to achieve the common goal: annihilating any threat and enemy of our welfare and survival. As a result, and unlike many of our adversaries, we never go down on a single defeat. Bin Laden is only the last in a long line of economic dunces, their minds filled with Marxist fallacies, who thought they could bring down our vast sophisticated and decentralized Capitalist economies in one shot. Ludicrous, simply ludicrous.

Even when we lose a battle, we've never lost a war until the war was truly and indubitably lost(2). You beat us with a stick; we come back with a knife. You beat us with a gun; we invent the Atom bomb and wipe out a couple of your cities. And while we're on the subject of weapon, Brother By Allah should be slightly worried at the idea that the weapons he is using were invented, produced and distributed by us — or by our Soviet or Chinese copycats — and that he's always several steps behind us when it comes to fire superiority: we are the ones who invent, improve and mass produce the latest and greatest killing machines — and even the aforementioned copycats are just waiting in line to snatch the blueprints, before they can sell them to good-for-nothing Islamic holy warriors at the bottom end.

But weapon superiority is just the beginning of the story, and — as so many foes of the West discovered to their brutally short-lived surprise — our weapons are not much without the men who use them: Napoleon Bonaparte, another deviant thug the free(r) West ultimately squashed, used to say that "There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit."

What Imperator Bony got wrong, and what earned him a lifelong vacation on a remote island, was that free Judeo-Christian societies and their civic militaries have got both the spirit and the sword. Oh, and the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber.

We invented and perfected the military doctrine of Total War, and with full support from the citizenry, we fielded the most lethal armies throughout History — to the point where the only serious foe for any Western army was — and remains — another Western army, or a Western equipped and inspired one (though only for a short time; ask Imperial Japan). We pushed the concept of shock battles all the way to abject ends, and in so doing we slaughtered thousands of non-Westerners in distant wars and millions of our own in intra-Western conflicts. By Allah-la-la, their "ferocious tribes" may ride and "make these battle cries", but they're not worth their own horses' dung when compared to any of the Western soldiers who fought on both sides in Shiloh or went over the top in the Battle of the Somme: show me the Islamic Verdun, and we'll talk about courage and ultimate sacrifice.

Truth is, Jihadis don't know the beginning of warfare and mass killing. We do, and we do it better than anyone else.

As Brother By Allah was talking about horses and tanks, it reminded me of my grand-father who, rather unfortunately, found himself and his regiment in the way of Guderian's tanks in Sedan, by the summer of 1940 — now the Nazis, here's another bunch of Westerners loosing it and falling for anti-Judeo-Christian self-hatred.

Still, unlike all the French politicians and most of the French army's chain of command, Grand Pa's unit decided to make a stand, and at least try to put some kind of a fight.

The Germans were in their tanks.

The French charged them. On their horses. Sabre au clair.

While tactically vain of course, what's always interested me here is the motivation. They didn't ride their horses to battle against armored vehicles in a self-destructive commitment to "die for the sake of Allah" (or any other supreme being for that matter), they did it in the name of what they cherished the most: their lives, their properties and those of the fellow men fighting next to them; and they knew it was their responsibility and their privilege to defend them — with their lives, if it had to come to that. But ultimately, it was about survival, not suicide.

Were they different from the millions of Western soldiers who came before them and would come after them? Not in the slightest, for such a display of courage and discipline is indeed the trademark of the West's rank-and-file, and ensured crushing victories and the resilience of Western civilization, more often than not in the face of a numerically superior foe.

Throughout history, free Western nations and their armies wiped every non-Western or anti-Western adversary they faced, or transformed and neutralized them completely. What makes you think that the current conflict should be different? As America in particular and the Anglo-Saxon world at large are engaged in another of these decisive encounters, and even if Europe is currently closer to the abyss than she ever was, I submit that before this is over this last chapter in the centuries old struggle of the West against Islamic imperialism will certainly be just that: the last one — and hopefully, the end of Islam.

We've not started the real fighting yet, and bear in mind that we invented and perfected the concept of war of annihilation: once we've started, we don't stop — So Brother By Allah, you and all your Jihadist brothers have got it all wrong. I suggest that before you push the West into full warring gear, you listen to the ghosts of Darius, Montezuma, Hitler or even Saddam, and think hard on the one true question:

Do you really want to play with us, scumbag?
  1. Allegedly, the situation in most of suburban Paris is a tad more confused.
  2. Just for the record, I contend that the US Army didn't lose the Vietnam war


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  • polprof

Wow.  All the disparities discussed here are true, however terrible, with one possible exception:  I’m not so sure we (as in the West) have spirit on our side.  There are so many signs of moral and intellectual exhaustion—remember that you are, after all, the DISSIDENT Frogman.  (That spiritual exhaustion may show itself in the troubling birthrate declines.  This is admittedly not only a Western problem, but it may have its own causes in the West, where people remain free to have as many kids as they like, unlike in other places that face similar problems.)  I see all too many of my fellow American citizens, even ones who have sound inclinations, who have little or no understanding of what is good about what has been achieved in the West, no sense of the moral case to be made for their own culture (as opposed to the “don’t mess with us, sucker” case that is stressed in the concluding paragraphs of your original post).  Powerful empires have been taken down from the periphery before, God forbid. . .

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  • stinky CHEEZ

Victor Davis Freaking Hanson.

Froggy reads great book (Carnage and Culture) and distills its essence for the less fortunate among us.


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  • floridasuzie Florida


I knew you would write something awe-inspiring for this 9-11 and could hardly wait to read it, but this essay is even better than anything I could have imagined. I’ll comment further later on the essay and the first response.



*♦ “I’m glad to be an American where at least I know I’m free

And I won’t forget the (wo)men who died that gave that right to me

And I’ll gladly stand up next to you and defend her to the end

Cuz there ain’t not doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.” ♦*


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  • Sentry

I don’t think the fall of the west is a foregone conclusion. There are victories among the losses even in Europe—Germany and Russia implementing procreation incentives, for example (which is ridiculous, but a step in the right direction.) The real question has always been will the west wake up soon enough. I don’t think the average westerner has lost their will to defend themselves or their desire and appreciation for freedom. Too many of them are just uninformed and disinterested. Once their own peace and prosperity is personally on the line and the media’s version of reality becomes too disconnected from their own, they’ll act. And they’ll be pissed. And they’ll have all that wonderful firepower behind them.

The danger is, that might not happen until it’s too late.

[center]Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.
When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults

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  • Denny_Crane

Well said Sentry.

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  • tinga-tinga

Thank you for the special 9-11 post.

It should give people encouragement to let them know that the blustering speaker in Khartoum is ignoring the little problem that the Sudan Islamic monolith is nothing of the sort, with the Christian animist South having fought them to a measure of autonomy, and elections in 2012, restive Darfur in the West, the Eastern Sudan region in rebellion and now to the north also in conflict,  the Nubia Sudan area.  Khartoum has its hands full.  Better for the long term, the Arabs will always look down on the blacker members of the Muslims - to the point of slavery.  How is that better?  How long does one fight for sharia when it is applied unequally against you once it is installed?  A flaw that becomes a crack, then a break. 

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  • beachkatie

Thankyou dissident frogman! I say amen to your theist.I am praying to God , people ever were wake up before it’s to late….. I readed on little green football tonight the found some terrioust in Winsconcin. I beleive the other’s caught in Demark.. Glad someone is on there toes!!!!!!! Thankyou for your blog it really picked up my spirit!!!! Sorry for misspell words ,i’m in a hurry.  Take care!

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  • JihadGene North Korea, Central California

Yo! DF!!!

You got it right!!! If OBL keeps this sh*t up and wants to play in the USA, again….even Nancy Pelosi, and her fellow “SYRIAN SUCKER”  (Dennis Kucinich) couldn’t save his (Osama’s) sorry A$$!

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  • Grimmy Where I'm at.


Love yeh man.

I mean that in the traditional “stand beside you in the shield wall and fight until the enemy is either dead or broken” sort of way.

Keep the faith, Semper Fi

Ad Triarios Redisse!

Where does the light go, when the light goes out?

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  • SisterToldjah

Excellent post, DF. I share your optimism in this battle against Islamofascism.  At the same time, I worry about next year’s elections here, and wonder if it’s going to be a Democrat like Hillary or Obama determining how we should respond to those threats.  We’ve seen time and time again how Democrats are clueless when it comes to dealing with dangerous threats, and Hillary and Obama are amongst the most clueless of them all.

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  • N.

God bless you, Frogman! That was awesome. Like liquid Viagra. I must admit, I feel a little funny right now.

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  • Iwo Gina Maryland

“But ultimately, it was about survival, not suicide.”

    That says it all.

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • MuggedLib

Excellent post, although I do fear that we in the West have lost the ‘spirit’ (hopefully, only temporarily).

You may be a frog, but your ability to turn a phrase in English is nonpareil:

Like the Marxists, who thought wrongly that History was on someone’s side (and their own, just to be wrong twice)

I’m still cleaning the OJ off my monitor!

When the S.S Mahomet sails into the Great Lakes, I vow to help defend their shores from the Taliban Task Force!

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  • Lady Cincinnatus Ohio & Kentucky

Wow. I wish we could erect a statue to your honor (alongside Lafayette) for this blog post alone.  BTW, my grandpa fought the Nazis in Europe too. While he wasn’t named “Tommy” he was “Bobby”. Grandpa fought his way up a beach and manned a big gun.

It sounds like you have been listening to too much of the media and are forgetting the “spirit” that exists in the heartland, not the blue city-states like New York and LA. I would draw your attention to the battle of King’s Mountain during the Rev War. This battle was fought by 1,000 plus militiamen—without orders, formal military training, uniforms or provisions, and with no promise of pay—against the supposedly “superior forces”of English Col. Patrick Ferguson.

Col. Ferguson—like UBL—-threatened the American Rebels by sending a message from his camp in Gilbert Town, Rutherford County, North Carolina, to the officers west of the Blue Ridge that if they did not “desist from their opposition to the British army, and take protection under his standard, he would march his army over the mountains, hang their leaders, and lay their country waste with fire and sword.”

In only one hour and five minutes, the American Rebels totally decimated Ferguson’s American Tories (Loyalists, Royalists), with every last man of them either dead or taken prisoner, and the Colonel himself left dead on the battlefield.

Col. Ferguson’s warning was the result of his frustration over the refusal of most of the Overmountain men (east Tennessean and southwestern Virginians) to take the loyalty oath (or embrace Islam if you’re UBL).

That’s the real spirit that lives in America’s heartland. 

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  • Valerie, Texas


I am going to have to unearth my ancient copy of Roget’s Thesaurus so I might other accolades for your writing.  Brilliant is going to wear thin if you keep this up.  And I know that you will.

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  • SisterToldjah

It sounds like you have been listening to too much of the media and are forgetting the “spirit” that exists in the heartland, not the blue city-states like New York and LA. I would draw your attention to the battle of King’s Mountain during the Rev War. This battle was fought by 1,000 plus militiamen—without orders, formal military training, uniforms or provisions, and with no promise of pay—against the supposedly “superior forces”of English Col. Patrick Ferguson.

Col. Ferguson—like UBL—-threatened the American Rebels by sending a message from his camp in Gilbert Town, Rutherford County, North Carolina, to the officers west of the Blue Ridge that if they did not “desist from their opposition to the British army, and take protection under his standard, he would march his army over the mountains, hang their leaders, and lay their country waste with fire and sword.”

In only one hour and five minutes, the American Rebels totally decimated Ferguson’s American Tories (Loyalists, Royalists), with every last man of them either dead or taken prisoner, and the Colonel himself left dead on the battlefield.

Col. Ferguson’s warning was the result of his frustration over the refusal of most of the Overmountain men (east Tennessean and southwestern Virginians) to take the loyalty oath (or embrace Islam if you’re UBL).

That’s the real spirit that lives in America’s heartland.

Amen to that! I live in NC - incidentally about 45 minutes from Kings Mountain - and I can personally attest to that attitude being alive and well :)

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  • polprof

Dear KL and Sister T:

I could not be happier if both of you were absolutely right, so don’t really want to get into a fight about the American spirit.  My observations come mostly from the Rustbelt—maybe that is not Heartland enough.  But LGF just posted the following about kids not being allowed to wear the American flag to school, so that the school will not have to disciminate between which flags it is ok to wear and which not—and if Sampson County NC isn’t the heartland, I don’t know what is: http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-09-11-0027.html.  Even if, as I hope is the case, there are outraged parents, the fact of the matter is these kids are being taught by people who don’t have a clue—so what will they learn?  Allow me one further anecdote to support my point that there is a lack of understanding of the moral foundations of American liberal democracy.  In a class of 60 college kids I am currently teaching, NOT ONE had ever read the Declaration of Independence.  (I started out asking who had ever been asked to memorize any part of it. . .silly me.) These are students from all the schools of my university, which is not on located either coast—nor does it have a particularly liberal/left student body.  IF we still had that noteworthy spirit of ‘76, I don’t think we’d be facing quite the same problem we are facing.  But hey, I’ve been wrong before, and would not mind being wrong on this point.

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  • tinga-tinga

Dear polprof: If you discover that your students do not have a foundation, then it is your opportunity and duty to teach them.  They could have ended up in another class where the prof didn’t care, but somehow they ended up in yours. Go for it!  The huge debates of the founding of the American Nation plus the Barbary Wars provide outstanding comparisons between Liberty and self-governing and libertine and slavery.  Be positive.  You can make a difference.  Even the French school textbooks do a pretty good job of describing the progression of the English Revolution, which set the foundation for the American Revolution, and then what when wrong to make the catastrophe of the French Revolution.  So, bonne chance!

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  • NevadaDailySteve Nevada, Missouri

You sure swing a cluebat with the best of them. Vive le Froggy! Durka! Durka! Mohammed Jihad!

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  • Lady Cincinnatus Ohio & Kentucky

PolProf ~ I agree with Tinga-Tinga.  You have an opportunity…and you can start by sharing the story of King’s Mountain! :)  Also, note that I said “Heartland” not “Public Schools”. They are their own realm.  Why do you think so many are choosing to home school?

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  • Papa Ray West Texas

Well, looks like I got here late. But I still have to tell you that is a fine mess of words, ideas and emotions you put to the computer for us to read.

Yea, we ain’t fighting yet, and they had best hope that our Military takes care of the various battles and that they never sit foot here in America or even France with swords, guns or whatever drawn.

Because that is when they will find out that Islam and it’s ideas was a bad idea and their downfall.

Hell, I can raise a hundred armed Texans in an hour, several thousand in a day and millions in a week. All I have to do is give them a time and place to be and tell them who we are fighting. Nothing more will be needed.

And if they do get to get off another large terrorist attack here in the states, the warcrys from the citizens of the United States will shake Washington’s walls with anger and resolve.

And the Muslims everywhere will have to worry if they will survive the day.

Thanks again for a great read.

Papa Ray

West Texas


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  • Valerie, Texas

polprof - It was a school board in North Carolina that came up with that jackass policy.  But what disgusted me was the gutless parents.  It is THEIR school.  My daughter wanted to wear a flag bedraped shirt that said “Remember 9/11” I would PROUDLY walk into that school and take her home for having flaunted such a stupid decree.  Where were these tax paying citizens when the school board met and approved this piece of junk?  Too busy watching Dancing with the Stars or the latest DVD of some Hollywood Useful Idiot to notice.  Why I do not send my child to a government school.  Just a PC cess pool.

Papa Ray - You can count on us.

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  • Chris

Are you sure your not from Texas?  I am, and I hear comments like yours every weekend down at the gun range.  But never put so well.  You are 100% on the mark.  Thanks


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  • TBinSTL St Louis MO USA

When I first read this, I couldn’t manage a response that did you justice. Now I read all the other comments and I’ll just tack on my heartiest of “dittos” to all of their’s.

As the kids these days say, U RAWK!!