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Three days ago, in the wake of what appears to be an Islamist attack on Madrid, I wrote:
My first thoughts for Spain, at the end of this bloody day, are strictly identical to those I had for the USA in the evening of 9/11.
Looking at the result of Sunday's elections, I have to admit, sadly, that any subsequent comparison is definitely out of question:
Another Socialist voter, Daniel Rincon, (...) said (...), "but after the attack, getting the PP out became the top priority."

(...) "I voted for change," said (...) Cristina Algema, a journalism student. "After the attacks, I had to contribute to kicking out the PP."
After the attacks in New York or in Bali, and after any attack in Israel, the top priority is to find the bastards who did it and "kick" their ass for good.
The top priority is not "kicking" your own kin, particularly when they happen to be those who oppose the attackers most firmly.

That makes a difference between the lion and the sheep. That makes a difference between a society endowed with vitality and a dying one.

And that's probably one of the reasons why Spain was a great power once, and why America is the great power now.

I hope Daniel and Cristina enjoy the return of the Khilafa. After all, Cristina asked for "change", right sweetheart?

I will spare them the contemptuous remark of my buddy Juan Pablo though.

He said something about cojones that, although appropriate wasn't really flattering for the Spaniards.

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Il y a trois jours, au regard de ce qui semble être une attaque islamiste sur Madrid, j'écrivais :
Mes premières pensées pour l'Espagne, au terme de cette journée sanglante sont strictement identiques à celles que j'ai eu pour les USA au soir du 11 Septembre.
Au vu des résultats des élections de dimanche, je dois admettre malheureusement que toute comparaison subséquente est définitivement hors de propos :
Un autre électeur Socialiste Daniel Rincon, (...) a déclaré (...), "mais après l'attaque, virer le PP est devenue la top priorité."

(...) "J'ai voté pour le changement," dit (...) Cristina Algema, étudiante en journalisme. "Après les attaques, je devais contribuer à expulser le PP."
Après les attaques à New York ou à Bali, et après toute attaque en Israël, la top priorité est de trouver les bâtards qui sont responsables et de "latter" leur gueule pour de bon.
La top priorité n'est pas de "virer" vos compatriotes, particulièrement lorsqu'ils se trouvent être ceux qui s'opposent aux attaquants avec le plus de détermination.

C'est ce qui fait la différence entre les lions et les moutons. C'est ce qui fait la différence entre une société dotée de force vitale et une qui se meurt.

Et c'est probablement une des raisons pour lesquelles l'Espagne fut une grande puissance, et pourquoi l'Amérique est la grande puissance maintenant.

Je souhaite que Daniel et Cristina apprécient le retour du Khilafa. Après tout, Cristina voulait du "changement", pas vrai mon coeur ?

Je leur épargne cependant la remarque méprisante de mon pote Juan Pablo.

Il a dit quelque chose au sujet de cojones qui, bien qu'approprié, n'était pas franchement flatteur pour les espagnols.

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1297 - vince leta

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These perpetuaters of war crimes against the Spanish people are the same scum that have declared Jihad on the west for the last 40 years. This has about as much to do with the war in Iraq as the recent bombings in Bali, the bombings in Turkey, the bombings in Saudi Arabia etc, etc etc. If we all pulled out of Iraq tommorrow, you would not be one iota safer. That some terrorist group did this in the name of the Iraqi people sickens me. The Iraqi people have suffered enough, 40 years of tyranny, then on the dawn of them signing a interm Constitution they have a massive terrorist attack, killing hundreds of Muslim pilgrims, by supposed individuals concerned about the Iraqi people. Ask yourelf this, how many Iraqi's were arrested for the attack on Spain, none! These facist Muslim Terrorists would murder a Muslim as easily as they would murder a Spaniard. These murderers do not care about the Iraqi people, only their cause, and that is the exorcism of all western influence in thier dogmatic hate-filled world. This terrorist attack in Spain proves more than ever, that Iraq was never a cause they cared about, just another excuse to vent their hatred of western Euro-centric, Judeo-Christian values. My heart goes out to the victims in Spain of this latest terrorist attack, I would just hope that you would re-evaluate your position in and on this war against western ideals.
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 0613 ZULU

1298 - Mike H.

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I will remain quiet on Spain. We will remain in Iraq. Spokane , WA
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 1049 ZULU

1299 - Nuno C.

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The majority of Spain is not against the war on terrorism. They just feel that the war on Iraq (without the UN) was not the proper way to fight it. They had expressed their opinion before and now they did it again. The statements from those two spaniards reveal exactly that. War on terrorism didn't seem that important before it came to spanish soil. It was the same in the US. Suicide bombings in Israel didn't seem to justify and invasion of Afghanistan or Irak. Even the attack on the USS Cole didn't seem a reason enough. But after those planes murdered US civilians, well that shifted the balance and made the war on terrorism a crucial issue on politics. And they acted the way they felt was best to fight it. And if there was an election you can be sure economic issues wouldn't weigh anything compare to the war on terrorism. Well Spain is in that situation. Terrorism after 11M became a central focus on public opinion and they acted, not out of fear, but out of courage to tread the path they feel is better to fight terrorism. And that opinion they didn't change. They stood still and prepared for walking the path they had chosen even before the attacks. It just wasn't a priority. Why should we be hipocrits and say that they had to act before? If the 11/09 had been in Spain would the US have acted? I don't think they would. Even now the path Bush has taken is not clear for ALL americans. Fear? There is no fear in Spain. They are acting about it, not retreating. I see more fear in opinions that say that their option will lead to more attacks. If your choices depend on that, well...THAT is fear.
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 1520 ZULU

1300 - Duke

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I am another spanish man who voted PP. I read Oriana Fallacci's book, and that is a war, Democracy vs Islam, Freedom vs Islam, laicism vs Islam..., I am so sorry... Regards.
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 1735 ZULU

1301 - Nightfly

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That's an odd definition of fear, Nuno. The Spanish elections were a Sir Robin moment ("He bravely ran away, away!"). Once upon a time the Spanish waved red flags in front of bulls; now they're waving white flags in front of bullies. To say that they courageously chose that action is to say that they bravely chose to bleed after getting socked in the nose. You give the game away in your own post when you point out that Spain stood by the USA after Sept. 11, despite not being a direct target. That was bravery. You are also unfortunately correct that the US didn't act to help its own allies until they were bombed. But note the different reactions to being thus attacked: rooting out scumbags and petty tyrants vs. sitting back and hoping that quiescence will hide one from further notice. It doesn't work that way. Do something and you may get attacked by a crippled enemy, preoccupied with battles in his own backyard. Do nothing and you will not impede the enemy in any way; he will be free to act as he pleases, limited only by the resources that you are no longer trying to deny to him. To say so is not fear but knowledge. You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 0019 ZULU

1302 - the dissident frogman

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I was about to add that Nuno's brilliant exercise in self-delusion reminded me greatly of the daily performances of the French political class, but I guess Nightfly rounded up the issue nicely enough. What the triumphant appeasers of this new troïka (France, Germany, Spain) "“ who, since Sunday, are congratulating themselves over that "rebuttal" sent to "Bush that moron" and "Blair that dickhead" (the French radio is having a field day. I mean week.) -- fail to understand, is that the signal sent to terrorists from the Spanish ballot is less a blow at the US than the promise of other bombings in continental Europe. Although they may try it again in the US and the UK (simply because their goal is to murder us whenever they can) they know that they have no strategic impact otherwise: Americans and British demonstrated that attack means retaliation. In other words, although I'm nowhere near *hoping* it will happen, I can easily imagine that the same kind of attacks in the US next November would have the opposite effect. Yet they learned that they can blackmail (continental) European voters now. And the non-Islamic terror groups will start thinking about strategy too…
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  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 0106 ZULU

1303 - vince leta

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As a minor student of history, it seems as if we are re-visiting the Europe of the 1930s. You, the socialists and labor parties, tried to appease and compromise with Hitler. You beleived if you conceded to his small schemes of a greater Germany, that would pacify his hunger for power. You were wrong then, and 40 million people paid with their lives for your pandering to evil. If you wake up tommorrow to find that London, Moscow, Rome and a few other cities are gone because these megamaniacs nuked them, will you still blame it on the U.S.A. and our war in Iraq. You were targets before 9/11, and you were targets before our war in Iraq, and you are still targets despite your myopic outlook. There are thousands hacking at the branches of terror but only one who is willing to strike at the root of terror. Terrorism will surely succede in Europe, because in healthy societies the criminal is the good citizens nemesis not the police.
  • March 17th 2004
  • @ 0409 ZULU
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