Friday open gun advice thread

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Friday open gun advice thread

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Here's the pitch: my birthday is coming up, and since I'm hitting a new landmark in the History of Me — a two numbers figure with a zero at the end — I'm working out various ways to mark the event.

In the "it's now or never: live the instant" Department, I'm considering either taking a jump out of a perfectly working airplane, or a ride in a Lamborghini Murcielago — behind the wheel, and on a race track of course.

While that should fulfill my need for adrenalin, I'm also looking for something that will last longer, and I feel like offering me a boomstick to mark the occasion for the years to come — assuming the chute will open properly.

So here's where I put you to work: I'd like suggestions.

Guidelines as follow:
Up to you now. Show me the guns, show me the love.

Oh and if you don't know jack about guns, I'm thinking of having a few words engraved on my Rifle of the New Decade. Any idea?
  1. Well, I won't be buying that Lamborghini you know.

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  • Valerie, Texas

Ride in the Lamborghini.  As fast as you can!  What can I say? I am a Texan, I go for the horse power.  Ride in a red one and get lots of pictures.

Boomstick wordsL Live Free or Die

Gun: Pump action shotgun.  One of the most recognizable sounds in the world.

 

And despite his coy reference to his age, he is NOT turning a half a century old. 

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  • Jason

I have both a Yugo SKS and a Winchester 30-30 and enjoy both weapons.  The SKS has less recoil, is semi-automatic and has an attached 10 round magazine (in VT I have to switch to a 5 round magazine to go hunting).  The 30-30 packs a larger punch, is lever-action, so it helps me live out my cowboy fantasies, and has a six tound magazine (with an additional one in the chamber).  Both are good brush guns, though, with similar ballistics.

If you’re getting an SKS get the Yugo, it a a fold out bayonet.  Not only does it look cool, it look awesomely cool.

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Val: indeed, I’ve not reached 50 yet. Don’t know what I’ll do when I’ll get to that venerable age, as a rifle might not be enough - buy a cannon maybe?

Jason: I have many cowboy fantasies as well, but I was under the impression that Winchester closed the shop on their legendary lever-action rifles?

I thought maybe going the Marlin way, as I’ve heard they were good rifles, even though they don’t have the same Far West aura as Winchester. Any happy Marlin owner in the area?

Time to take sides

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  • Sarah

tempus omnia revelat 

If you do wind up with wood, I happen to know someone who can get words on there.

Which decade is this?  Certainly this milestone is not the first time there has been a zero with the two digit number?

 

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Sarah, am I getting this right? You did the deer scene on the stock? Nice, very nice.

Oh and… It’s the 4th time. There. I said it.

Time to take sides

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  • Valerie, Texas

DF - When you turn 50 I am hoping you will be in America.  That would be the way to celebrate!

Friends, go to You Tube and enter "Dissident Frogman" and what will appear?  Our French Terorist Mime.  Apparently someone got antsy and hauled Bite the Bullet over to YouTube.  Rack up those viewing numbers people for the Frogman’s birthday! 

 

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  • trainerNew Jersey

I have a Marlin 1894cs in .357 that is a ball to shoot, but not for hunting critters as large as you need to.  I’ve been shooting a Marlin 336 30-30 a lot lately and it would be more to your liking…shells are ejected to the side allowing a scope for old farts…unlike the Winchester.  I also have a Yugo SKS that I customized (read bubba’d), and this is the trunk rifle of choice out west right now.  The SKS has never failed to feed, fire, or fling in thousands of rounds.

Much of course depends on your budget, but for game in Europe, I wouldn’t think you would need much more than a  6.5x55mm Swede.  They can be found in the original Swedish Mauser configuration if you are a purist, or just about any modern rifle manufacturer has a swede.  Ruger makes the Swede in beautiful single shot and bolt action models.

The round is extremely accurate with low recoil, yet has the 100+ year history of military use behind it.

 

I don’t hunt, so my guns tend to be for fun or SHTF.

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  • Sarah

Yes that’s my work, but I think it needs to be appreciated in a cultural context.  I know it’s not a typical thing to do, but for that client, it was just the thing.  I never did that before (on a gunstock) and probably won’t have the chance again.

 

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  • PeterStranger from out there

I turned 50 in April, and my choice was a late-1943 Savage made Enfield No4 MkI*. It was exactly what I wanted, it was in the right color, and it fit. In addition, since the Enfield is .31 caliber, I had to get collets for my case trimmer, a set of .303Brit dies, a proper shellholder for the reloading press, brass…the Birthday Observances, a/k/a buying new stuff, lasted a good six weeks after the Day itself, so it ended up being nearly an entire Birthday Season instead of just a day.

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  • Lady CincinnatusOhio & Kentucky

A Remington Model 700 is a good sniper rifle.  Hey and there’s nothing wrong with cannon.  I’m exposing my nerdy-history-buff side, but there’s nothing quite like experiencing 4 or 5 cannon going off simulateously on either side of a civil war reenactment battle field.  As for the engraving…"I will not Submit" in both English and Arabic would be my personal choice.

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  • Gabby

Steyr Scout Rifle in .308.  Long eye relief scope.  Bolt action beauty designed with the help of Co. Jeff Cooper—RIP.

Enjoy for the rest of your life, and pass down to future generations!

 

Gabby

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  • NevadaDailySteveNevada, Missouri

I don’t want to get anyone upset but I prefer the Marlin 30-30 over the Winchester. It’s a personal preference thing, I like the ergonomics better. The Winchester seems to have more recoil than the Marlin, at least to me. I definitely have memories from my childhood of Chuck Connors spinning that modified Winchester (which would probably result in me shooting my foot if I tried it) so there is some cowboy attraction to a lever-action rifle.

I mostly have used my Marlin for target shooting. I prefer shooting a bolt-action or semi-automatic to the lever-action, it’s easier to get another round in the chamber while maintaining a sight picture. I usually use a 8mm Mauser, lots of punch and cheap ammo.

For something completely different you can always go black-powder. Talk about a boomstick! Lots of boom, lots of smoke, and if you’re a good shot, accurate as well. You can do the reproduction route and get a rifle resembling one from the past or you can get a modern black powder rifle, either way they can be awfully fun to shoot.

Whatever you decide you just can’t go wrong with a good boomstick. 

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  • Iwo GinaMaryland

DF: I vote for the Remington model 700. (and BTW - turning 50 ain’t that bad)

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Iwo: I confess being tempted by a US brand and maker, as all my rifles so far are either Swiss or German (yeah okay, go ahead with the surrender monkey jokes)

And BTW, I’m neither turning 50 or considering it "bad" - Heck, I’d be glad to turn 100, but 40 will do for now, and the quip about the cannon was some kind of an inside joke.

Time to take sides

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  • Iwo GinaMaryland

DF - I can’t tell you how relieved I am to know that I’m only old enough to be your older sister, and not old enough to be your mother! (now that would be depressing!) But don’t let my decade up on you fool you - I can recognize an inside joke when I hear one, sonny!

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • SisterToldjah

Definitely go for the Lamborghini ride, DF, especially if it’s at a race track!  Several years ago, I was at a party at Lowe’s Motor Speedway (when it was still called "Charlotte Motor Speedway" - I think) for the promotion of a CD of NASCAR tunes from different country artists (I was an intern for Sony music at the time) and was given the opportunity  to go around the track in the pace car.  Now, I wasn’t driving it, because they wouldn’t let me, but let’s just say the driver was going wayyyy over what he would be allowed to do on the open road ;)  He went around the track several times. It was so freaking exhilarating! I loved it and wished they would have let me behind the wheel. 

The Speedway is on my route to work, so everytime they do a race there - big or small - you can sometimes drive by it in the afternoons and hear the cars out there practicing.  They sound so powerful :)  And I’ve gone to a couple of NASCAR qualifying events, which are less crowded than an actual NASCAR race, and you can get a better seat to watch the action as the drivers fly around the track.  It’s awesome.  I would love to own a fast car, or fast motorcycle one day - maybe when I turn 40, that’s what I’ll do ;)

So yes, DF, definitely do the Lamborghini ride, and try your hand at taming one of those beautiful cars.  There’s something to be said for having all that power and speed in your hands on an open track!  I really think you would like it.

As far as the gun recommendation, I don’t know much about guns, but you did say you were looking for engraving ideas for the rifle you do get, and I have a couple for you.  If you display the rifle anywhere near the entrance to your house, how about  "Socialists Not Welcomed" or "Socialist Deterrent"?   That way, if a Socialist ever does knock at your door and demand you stop being a dissident, they won’t have to look far to know you mean business ;) 

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  • SisterToldjah

Iwo wrote:

DF - I can’t tell you how relieved I am to know that I’m only old enough to be your older sister, and not old enough to be your mother!

No way! From your avatar I would have guessed mid 30’s - tops.  Start passing along those beauty secrets, please - the big 4-0 is creeping up on me, too, but I’ve still got a few more years to go :)

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  • AllenInWV

Not sure what your budget is DS, but I think for a traditional bolt action, I’d try out that Tikka T3 Hunter. It looks good and, at least in this part of the world, it’s uncommon. I’ve heard good things about it as well. I’m afraid I am not much of a rifle guy outside of the AR family. Now if an AR interests you, you can build virtually any type of rifle you want off of it, including something to hunt with in the dense forest.

In this world gone mad, we will no longer spank the monkey. The monkey will spank us.

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  • Valerie, Texas

IwoGina -
Glad to see you here, is your son better?

BTW, I am only ten years older than sonny boy.

"They got to be OLD men by being this way!" young gun slinger to fellow outlaw after both being shot down by elderly Texas lawmen in Larry McMurtry’s The Streets of Larado.  

That’s what I’m going for in my declining years.
 

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  • Iwo GinaMaryland

Valerie: My youngest is my only daughter, and she’s currently serving overseas in England. She’s doing better, thanks for the concern. Females in my family are tough little cookies (my mom scares my dad to pieces! but he tells me that living with her is a thrill a minute! ;)

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • Valerie, Texas

My apologies Gina, now that I recall, you did say "youngest child" and I made an assumption.  Which I should not have.  Glad to know the latest in tough cookies is doing better! 
 

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Lots of interesting advices from all - thanks a lot, and please, keep them coming.

I’m not sure the SKS would be allowed for hunting in France. French gun laws are particularly stupid and rarely make sense — and considering that gun laws are by definition stupid and senseless, that’s saying a lot.

Gabby: I’ve read about the Scout in Col. Cooper’s Art of the Rifle, and I’d agree that with such credentials, this gun has a lot to say about itself.

NevadaDailySteve: thanks for the owner’s review on the Marlin. Now black powder is something I’m looking into as well, even though I don’t think it’s allowed for hunting here. On the bright side, muzzleloaders are still "unregulated", and can be bought without going through heavy administrative hassle, like the rest (rimfire or centerfire, no matter the caliber) — and KL shares her enthusiasm for reenactements in a most inspiring way.

Now the question would be either the modern Remington Genesis, or a Kentucky rifle replica…

Iwo: I second Sister Toldjah on the guessing question: no way you can be my older  sister.

Sis’: C’mon, you don’t need any further beauty secret.

AllenInWV: the T3 was actually my second choice when I looked for my current hunting rifle - I heard many good things about the Tikka indeed, but in the end I went for the Sig-Sauer SHR 970.

BTW, I am only ten years older than sonny boy.

Indeed, Val is hardly older than me — as a matter of fact, I looked upon you as my (slightly) older sister Val, up to the day you toyed with the idea of adopting me :p

Glad to see you here, is your son better?

See? Val’s maternal instinct is bigger than her heart, which is itself bigger than Texas.

And I’ve gone to a couple of NASCAR qualifying events, which are less crowded than an actual NASCAR race, and you can get a better seat to watch the action as the drivers fly around the track. It’s awesome. I would love to own a fast car, or fast motorcycle one day

A girl after my own heart!

Time to take sides

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  • Valerie, Texas

Frogman,

If you check the archives of Dacha 1.0 I offered up the win-win solution to ALL the readers back then.  The advantages that made it an attractive arrangement back then still stand.  Shawll I recount them?

As I recall one in particular put a burr under your saddle.  Guess it’s been itchin’ all these years.  LOL!

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  • Civis Proeliator

As a former skydiver (biased opinion alert!), I’d say make the jump. You can always do the Lambo ride on an "older" date. And spring for a video of the jump. You’ll not regret it.

As far as the rifle suggestion, you can’t go wrong with a .30-30 in the conditions you mentioned and I’d choose Marlin if it were me. Or maybe one of the lever action guide rifles in .50 Alaskan depending on your def of "big game".

Hope you have a Happy BDay no matter what the choice!

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Valerie:

I offered up the win-win solution to ALL the readers back then.

 Ah! I rest my case, you uber-Mom you.

Civis Proeliator: This sounds like the practical way to go indeed, particularly when one thinks that by the time I get to the race track option, there will probably be a whole new range of mean machines to pick.

Not sure about the DVD though. I mean, is there any value in a few minutes sequence showing mostly yours truly wetting his jump suit and frantically calling his Mom while falling down?

And strike 2 for the Marlin,

Hope you have a Happy BDay no matter what the choice!

Thanks, not matter the choice I’m sure I’ll enjoy it (even if I need a change of clothes in the end)

Time to take sides

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  • SisterToldjah

This sounds like the practical way to go indeed, particularly when one thinks that by the time I get to the race track option, there will probably be a whole new range of mean machines to pick.

DF - why not do both? Skydiving one day and Lamborghini the next? The best of both worlds :)

You still up, ami? It’s a late hour in France, while the night is still young here in the US.  Hey, maybe we can hold an impromptu bday for you in this thread this evening?  I’ll get it started with the song:

"Happy Birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday, dear DF, happy birthday to you!"

And many more ...

(searches around for the party hats)

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  • Valerie, Texas

Gee, Uber Brat, who could have guessed pointing out the benefits to adopting you were:

Already gone through puberty, college is over and paid for, already knows how to drive, and comes potty trained

would have rankled you all these years?  I thought I was just doing you and the world a service. 

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  • SisterToldjah

LOL Valerie - I think Texas would be a perfect fit for DF, as  he clearly has a wild cowboy heart.  I can just imagine the cowboy hat, boots ... I wonder how one would sound saying "howdy" with a French accent? ;)

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Sis’:

DF - why not do both? Skydiving one day and Lamborghini the next? The best of both worlds :)

Unfortunately, my accountant is not as accommodating as you are…

You still up, ami? It’s a late hour in France, while the night is still young here in the US. Hey, maybe we can hold an impromptu bday for you in this thread this evening? I’ll get it started with the song

Indeed, it’s getting well advanced in the night. I’m still up because I’m late in my email correspondence (wink, wink, nod, nod), but you on the other hand are quite early for my birthday party (I’m still in my thirties if only for a little while, so let’s just not rush things thank.you.very.much.)

Valerie:

Already gone through puberty, college is over and paid for, already knows how to drive, and comes potty trained

Right. First, opinions vary as to the puberty issue. Some people would argue that I can sometimes act as if it wasn’t totally behind me or at the very least not that far behind. Even some who have not seen the mime thing.

I’m potty trained though. Well, as best as we French can be.

Next, I just knew it was a bad idea to import the old content and improve the search engine. Big, big, big mistake.

I wonder how one would sound saying “howdy” with a French accent? ;)

One would sound very briefly I presume. Just enough time for the real cowboys around to hear you, and take some measures.

Time to take sides

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  • Gozer the Carpathian

Howdy Frogman!  I find it fitting my first post would be about guns. :)

Well how about something a bit odd for your arsenal?  I personally want one of these but as Carbines like this are illegal in California I’m SOL.  I’m talking abaout the Cx4 Storm from Beretta. www.berettausa.com/product/rifles/series_page.cfm

It’s an odd duck to be sure, but I think it’s different enough from everything else you have to deserve a look.  :D

 

Oh, and jump out of the Airplane.  I think that’d be more memorable.

 

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Hey Gozer,

Fitting it is indeed, and welcome aboard.

The Beretta carbine is interesting - I’m just not sure about bringing it along on a wild boar hunt. Also the guys I hunt with are rather old fashioned, and if I come around with such a futuristic looking weapon, they’ll probably shoot me to boot. Still, thanks for the advice.

Oh, and you have some great stuff at gozer.com .

Time to take sides

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  • SisterToldjah

Indeed, it’s getting well advanced in the night. I’m still up because I’m late in my email correspondence (wink, wink, nod, nod), but you on the other hand are quite early for my birthday party (I’m still in my thirties if only for a little while, so let’s just not rush things thank.you.very.much.)

Ok ... I shall put the party hats away for now, then  - I will bring them back out when you give the word :)

Now, who here can bake a good cake? We’ll need someone who can bake one big enough to fit all those candles on it ... (yeah, like I should be talking about that, when I’m only a few years away from it myself! LOL)  ;) 

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  • hurricane567

Levers? Pumps? BOLT ACTION? Heh, go for the gusto, what’s legal in France?

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/

 

 

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  • tinga-tinga

Had my eye on a Marlin Guide gun for a while, lever-action.  Just window-shopping.  A story diversion: an Alaskan missionary pilot said his plane is like his pick-up truck - two seats in the front and all the junk in the back.  In case of forced landings, they are REQUIRED to carry firearms (does that make you feel all warm and fluffy inside to hear that?)  But, he had a problem - his plane is always too stuffed to manage even a rifle in there.  He was given a lot of hand gun advice, so he took one out and landed himself on a little grizzly-infested island, with a friend for backup - armed back-up.  They didn’t have to wait long.   They were charged.  He shook his head and said, the only reason that bear went down - twenty feet from him was that his 5th shot was lucky and severed the spine.   That was the story for the bear skin he was displaying.  Now, drat, I can’t remember what handgun he did settle on.  His website mentioned he had to shoot a moose that burst thru his living room window, and some predator animal that chased his dog thru the front door and into the house as he was TRYING to have his morning coffee.  SO, my suggestion is you forget the parachutes and go to Alaska and ask this colorful fellow which handgun he prefers to pack for bush piloting to dump off missionaries into remote wilderness indigenous Indian churches. 

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  • tinga-tinga

Yikes! All that and I forgot to say, "HAPPY BIRTHDAY!"

And many more!

 

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  • bonmotdotStranger from out there

Oh, happy birthday, FrenchFroggy!!!  Yeeeehah!  (From deep in the heart of Texas.)

Here, let me give you a kiss.  The French way, no?  Kiss on right cheek.  Kiss on left cheek.  Kiss on right cheek again.  Did I do that right?

And for your birthday present:  http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/22Rifle/Golden39A.aspx

I PROMISE you that this will bring down a 400-lb Russian boar.  Money back guarantee.  And if you are a bad shot, which I doubt, I can send you a stuffed Russian boar head that you can hang on YOUR wall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • bonmotdotStranger from out there

Oh, I forgot…

You need to inscribe on the rifle…  "The only way you’ll take this away is if you pry it out of my cold, dead hands."

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  • B-52 GUNNER

Hello,
This being my first post I would like to let you know that I thought Cartridge vs. Bullet was quite funny and I e-mailed the youtube link to all my friends.


I’m fond of lever actions and feel that since Winchester is no more and what ever Winchester rifles that are out there are going to be expensive the next best thing is a Uberti 1873.


www.uberti.com/firearms/1873Rifle.tpl


As for an inscription it would have to be "Shooty, No Shooty"
Happy Birthday! 
 

Scot

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

7mm rem mag is a very good, all round choice.

The cartriges tend to be more generally avaialable than other power loads. There is a nice mix of factory loads available in different bullet weights for either long range shoots or closer ranged bush hunting. The trajectory is nice and flat for longer range shoots with lighter weight bullets, and has enough power to punch through any large game with the heavier bullet weights.

The bullet is also not so large that it tears up game unnecessarily.

Remington 700 is the rifle of choice, imho. You can also get multiple stocks for the rifle. A composite for cold/wet weather hunts and wood for good weather/ looks.

The 7mm rem mag works very well for game from the boar/deer range and up through the elk/moose/bear levels.

 

 

Where does the light go, when the light goes out?

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

Inscription submission:

"Well, Hello!"

or

"I See You!"

Where does the light go, when the light goes out?

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  • canker

W E Henley’s Invicta has always inspired me:

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance,
I have not winced nor cried aloud:
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

 

Of course it’s far too long, but how about the last two lines as an inscription? Or, if you’re feeling particularly antsy, what about `My head is bloody, but unbowed’?

 

Whatever you decide, have a very happy birthday!

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  • BlinkyOmaha, Nebraksa, USA

Looks like there is some good info here. If you can’t get an SKS, I like the 700 also.

As far as getting it engraved, go with an old classic : ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

 

 

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  • Iwo GinaMaryland

Why not borrow another phrase from the Army of Darkness? After all, it is  a "Boomstick" you’re getting.

How about:

"Good… Bad… I’m the guy with the gun."

or:

"Hail to the king, baby."

or:

"Klatu Verata Nicto"

or my personal favorit:

"Oooh! That’s gotta hurt!"

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • Opus Rex

Happy birthday, DF! Enjoy the jump!

 

Here is a selection of some rifles I use professionally. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn13-e.htm

America is not a t war
The Us Military is at war
America is at The Mall
And Congress is out to lunch!

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  • B-52 GUNNER

How about a little latin:

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

‘Para bellum’ sounds like it should mean ‘two southern ladies’

Para belli would be two southern chicks in a really bad mood.

 

If you want a kind of inscription that’s a bit more than just a tag line, how about:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Or, you could shorten it to something like: With such as this, men oppose tyranny.

Where does the light go, when the light goes out?

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  • Gozer the Carpathian

*Chuckles*

True enough Frogman.  It is so futurisitic looking they’re actually using modified versions of it for the new Battlestar Galactica TV show.  So I can see how you might not want to use it.  Still isn’t a .45 enough to take down wild bore at Carbine ranges?  

Oh, and thanks for the compliment on my site.  I thought gozers.com was easier for folks to spell than gozerthecarpathian.com  :D

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  • B-52 GUNNER

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum translated means:

"If you seek peace, prepare for war".

I’ve always have been fond of this phrase.

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  • Papa RayWest Texas

Well, I see I’m late to the party again…dang

Anyway, happy birthday and jumping from that airplane sounds the best to me. I did it one time on a dare back long ago. It was a blast.

Now to your other question. Go here: http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=6&subcatID=55 and look around.

I have one of the Legendary Lawmen .30-30 caliber. I paid a little less as you might guess, in 1978. It is a sure shot, really nice weapon. It feels like it was built for me. I have put thousands of rounds thru her without a problem or complaint.

I bet somewhere on that webpage is one that will fit you to a t.

Papa Ray

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  • Mike H.Spokane, Wa

Marlin 336C 30-30.

 

Inscription either, ‘From the time of upheaval’ or,

 

‘When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s hard to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp.’

et sic de similibus!

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  • floridasuzieFlorida

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DF!!!

I’m just as relieved as the other ladies to find out we’re not old enough to be your older sister, aunt, or mother. It feels much better being your peer :)  I hated turning 40 too, but much to my surprise, the Forties are Fun!

I vote for skydiving, but then I’m partial as that has been one of my lifelong dreams, too. In fact, a few years ago my sons were going to treat me to a skydiving lesson for Mother’s Day but alas I broke my foot a couple weeks before and wasn’t able to, blast-it-all. If you do decide on skydiving, you might first want to see if you can buddy-jump with a female instructor unless you wouldn’t find it uncomfortable "hugging & holding" another man through the sky ;)

My sons had a mad passion for Lamborghinis - my oldest son still does - and I’m sure if my youngest son had lived longer he would still love them, too. (BTW, did you get the photo of him that I sent to you? That’s my fave pic of him. He was so beautiful, was he not? :) ) I know my sons would have hopped in a Lamborghini in a heartbeat had they ever got the chance, birthday or any day.

Gun - I could have sworn you said big game such as bear? I re-read all of your posts and couldn’t find anything but wild boar. Those suckers are some mean sons of a gun but trying to take out a bear with a gun before it takes you out is not something I’d want to think about. They are VERY hard to kill. Everyone’s already made excellent suggestions but here’s some more (pardon if someone has mentioned any of these)   .280 Remington   .308 Win                30-06 Springfield   .35 Remington    An inscription suitable both for hunting as well as defending yourself against terrorists and other scum:  FEAR THE FROGMAN

Now for the Par-Tay Celebration…I shall provide a cake in the shape of the gun of your choice. The cake batter will include gunpowder, rum, and distilled sugar cane (Blackbeard’s favorite drink, ‘Kill Devil’). For entertainment, some most excellent comedians - the awesome Asian Southern comedian (he’s from Tennessee with more of a Southern accent than even I have) Henry Cho; my fellow-Floridian, Dave Barry; Craig Ferguson, who desperately loves the USA and wants to get his citizenship ASAP (plus the guy is a great dancer and just too much fun). Heck, I want these guys at my birthday party. Y’all don’t tell anybody but if I weren’t already married, I’d marry Craig Ferguson so he could get his American citizenship (well anyway, that would be my way of convincing him to marry me ).

Canker,   I love the poem, INVICTA. It’s definitely a keeper, I’m going to add it to my poetry folder.

Suzie

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  • JoeA

The 6.5 that Jim B suggested looks great.  I have an old 6.5 Swedish Husqvarna that is a terrific flat shooting rifle.  Mine’s an old inexpensive military model, so not what you’re looking for to mark this milestone in your life, but the 6.5 swede is a great all purpose choice. 

If you’re considering a lever action with some punch, consider a Henry Golden Boy in .44 magnum.  Classic lever action, brass receiver, octagonal barrel (I think), familiar but also different because most people think Winchester or Marlin when they think lever action.  In Indiana we can hunt deer with pistol, shotgun or muzzle loader, but not with rifle.  The legislature is considering allowing rifles chambered for pistol cartridges, though, and when they do the Henry will be my choice.

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  • JoeA

I checked on www.henryrepeating.com and the .44 lever action is the Big Boy, not the Golden Boy (small caliber).  $1895 for deluxe engraved, $879.  Take a look at

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006dd_bigboyengraved.cfm

 

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  • BeelzebuDashell

If I may so bold Mr. Frogman wants a big Boomstick for the outdoors so I’d recommend the Alaska CoPilot take down rifle from Wild West Guns. Shoots up to a .50 caliber bullet at 2050 fps for 4200 foot pounds of energy and it can be taken down for easy carry.

 

 

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

To B-52 Gunner:

"Si vis pacem, para bellum translated means:

"If you seek peace, prepare for war".

I’ve always have been fond of this phrase. "

I do agree with you. Good phrase and time honored reality in meaning. I did not intend to sound mocking of the phrase. I do apologize to you if I came across that way.

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  • tinga-tinga

Bears?  Who mentioned bears?  In Western Europe?  Didn’t the last two bears that were released in an attempt to repopulate the European "continent" get "theirs" just this past year after they’d munched their way through several dozen farms on their paths northward?

It’s pathetic to see how self-righteous the Euros can be about the environment.  We’ve got bears sleeping on our property, got people around here who had to build a stockcade around their house - one city-slicker fellow  who thought the 500 lb forest thugs were cute had the siding peeled off his weekend double-wide after he failed to put out his usual stale donuts for the critters. (wiser neighbors turned him in as a public nuisance for feeding the bears). Two miles from here, a guy woke up one fine morning to find twelve bears languidly stretched out on his lawn and deck.   Europeans couldn’t scare up a bear in their woods if they tried - and when they got one, artificially introduced, they had to shoot it.   WHen Euros talk about preserving the environment, put fingers in ears and go "hmmm hmmm.  I’m not listening!"   Course, the Frogman is not to be counted in that group, being made of sterner and more practical stuff.

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  • floridasuzieFlorida

>Bears?  Who mentioned bears?  In Western Europe?  Didn’t the last two bears that were released in an attempt to repopulate the European "continent" get "theirs" just this past year after they’d munched their way through several dozen farms on their paths northward?<

Tinga, Err…How embarrassing! I was the dummy who mentioned bears, my bad. I didn’t realize there are no "French" bears, heh. Frankly I’m totally ignorant on the whole French big-game & rifle topic, so I’ll hush up like I should have done in the first place :)

Suzie

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  • B-52 GUNNER

Grimmy,

 

None taken.

I just wanted to add what the phrase said when translated.

I forgot to add the translation in my original post and I didn’t think I came across as being upset.

Scot

 

PS. Sorry for Highjacking the thread.

Back to the topic at hand.

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

B-52:

You didn’t come across upset at all, I just realize I can sound like a jerk sometimes when I’m trying to be humorous.

No apology from me for hijacking…that’s what threads are for :)

Back on topic for a sec…

How about Bane of Tyranny! Or Tyrants’ Bane!

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  • tinga-tinga

hehehehe. floridasuzie.  Of course there USED to be bears in W. Europe, and the Wisant and all sorts of massive critters ... but the Europeans ate them all.  When the Euro elites  start actin’ all superior, our DUTY is to remind them of their lack-luster conservationism while American backyards  crawl with big game. (:-D). 

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  • Flintloque

As a certified gun nut, I offer my NEXT project for what it’s worth.   I am getting a nice Mosin-Nagant rebuild with the octagonal receiver and the laminated wood stock.  These are factory rebuilds with new barrels.  I am adding a scope mount that hangs from the left side and takes all of the modern PSOP Russian scopes.  I am pretty sure I will get the 6X 42MM sniper scope.  I have a longer, bent bolt body to clear the scope as the stock bolt will not.

This will make up a nice, modernized Sniper Rifle.  The 7.62 X 54 will do fine for anything you want to hunt.  If the thing would be a bit too long in the brush, you could use the carbine M44 version instead and get a shorter rifle out of it.

Personally, I have regressed to hunting with 42" barrelled .54  and .50 flintlocks!  Can you get black powder?  That would be even better, if you could get it.

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

DAMN!!!!!  My bloglines feed has been buggy lately, didn’t see this till this evening. We done talked guns a bit, Froggy, and I will reiterate, I am a .30 man.  My main hunting rifle is a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, chambered in the venerable .303 British cartridge. Hell, I have 4 of them, and I likes my furniture. Full military stock is the way to go. The cut down stocks never shoot well unless you are having the bed glassed&leveled professionally, and for brush you can not beat it. Use the damn thing as a club, buff the scratchs out of the wood and give it a linseed oil rub down and you are ready for inspection. Getting a bit hard to find a wide variety of loads, though you being near the source you can special order from Sellier&Bellot, one of my favorite hard rice dealers, and there is a company in Serbia named PRVI Partizan that carries 125gr through 184gr Softpoint jacketed that shoot very well. Threw about 20 125s into the wetsand barrel and dug them out, very nice expansion. Spread to 3/4 inch and didn’t frag much. Also, PMP out of South Afrika still moves .303. I just picked up a box of  174gr SP to try out.

 

OK, I will get down off my ammo crate now with an admonishment. If you are looking at SMLEs look at a lot of them. And don’t be shy! Drop the mag and pull the bolt. Eyeball the barrel with a good light, put it back together and shake hell out of it. It rattles? Back in the stack. There are many in excellent, never issued condition, though they are quite often heavily coated in cosmolin or laquer. Got to look for that gem in the rough.

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  • B-52 GUNNER

I’m a Smelly Shooter as well and would have to say the one I have shoots very well.

.303 British will kick the crap out of your shoulder after a while.

I spent 5 hours in shooting 20 rounds through it last week and was asking myself if I really want to shoot it the last 3 rounds.

It’s the only bolt action I have and after seeing Cartridge vs. Bullet I tried to catch the ejected brass but unfortunately it ejects forward not back. :(

Here’s a photo the best group of 5 from 50 yards (45.72 meters for those across the pond.)

5 rounds in 2 inches (5.08 centimeters)

img214.imageshack.us/img214/6720/0901071610ns5.jpg

 

 

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  • Hardtack

Well, as you can obivously see, when you ask for suggestions of what rifle to buy, you get a wide selection to choose from. 

I can still remember my first deer rifle.  It was a 7 mm Mausuer (7 X 57 to be correct).  It was a very nice rifle, with an extremely strong action.  Regret to this day selling it.   I also enjoyed a 44 Magnum lever action.  Great brush/deer rifle, but here in the Ozarks  you don’t get that long distance shot.   Of course, if you want that long distance shot, maybe a Barrett would work. 

Much depends on what you are planning to hunt.  Get one that feels right for you; that you are comfortable in shooting.   I would probably look at either a 222 or maybe a 270.   Look at Ruger, I love their #1 rifles. 

 

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

Bravo 52, 5 hours for 20 rds? Were you having to do tool adjusts on the sights?  And as Sarge so politely screamed way back when, keep it tight&right and recoil ain’t nothing but a thang. Seriously, you have a good point. Without regular sessions at the range a .303 does got a bit-o-kick, as do any of the large bore calibers.

I have one SMLE with a sporterized stock, someone did a real hatchet job on it. Took several weeks and 300 rds to finally settle it down. Ended up using a piece of stainless steel strap and binding the barrel to the forearm. Still kicks like hell, since they had reduced the weight by half. It is a WWI issue Mk III and that forward rear sight also takes a bit of getting used to, most shooters under the age of 40 are used to rear sights being placed at the rear of the frame, so it is fun to watch people shooting Choppy for the first time.

 I will try to post a couple of pics of my darlin’s.

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  • HeckBoyAuburn, AL USA

I don’t claim to know much about rifles but I’ve had the Browning 300 SWM recommended to me for an elk hunt I’m considering.  It’s not heavy and packs a big punch.

I’d take the Lambo ride!  Happy Birthday!

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  • SisterToldjah

I’d take the Lambo ride!

Yay! Another vote for the Lambo :)

To those of you who have skydived, what was the feeling like when you did it?  Did you feel like you were falling or was it more like floating?  

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

Go out the door. Don’t ask what other people felt. Just  do it, then we can talk. It will change your life, brother. And be thankful you ain’t got to jump with a load on and the Sun just dropping below the horizon. That was always less than entertaining.

 

And how do I place images into comment threads? Being the low-tech, map&compass, .30 RedLeg grunt that I am I can’t figure it out.

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

Iwo! Sorry, did not realise till just now it was you asking about how it feels, not the B’day Frog. Never tell the intended victim how terrifying stepping through that door the first time is. OR, regale them with tales of horror and mutilation. Its a psychological thing, well outside my tactical sphere of influence. I was raised in the hard school, you can not do a thing because of fear. Fear is just the gravy over top.

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  • Iwo GinaMaryland

Ummm….. No, Hotel, it wasn’t me who asked how it feels - it was Sister Toldja… but thanks for mistaking me for such a gorgeous creature as her :D. That’s the nicest compliment I’ve received in a long  time!

To let you in on a little secret - it’s always been one of my dreams to sky dive… another is to take flying lessons, but not to learn to fly a plane - I’ve always wanted to fly a chopper! I’ll do it one day - maybe on my 55th.

Iwo Gina :coolsmile:

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  • TBinSTLSt Louis MO USA

I know I’m a little late to the discussion but I would drop in my favorite "dream gun" site here. Beautiful, functional and loaded with meaning. Power? Yeah, plenty.  www.shilohrifle.com/ . The "soundtrack" for the site is one of the only ones that I don’t turn off(they usually annoy the heck out of me).

Happy birthday, and I wish you many years of happy hunting, whatever the game.

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

Iwo, Sis, my apologies.  I been responding to comment threads from bloglines feed, and it only shows the new comment, not who it is from. And multiple threads from multiple directions don’t help. A bit less than satisfied with bloglines.

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

And now, for something completely different:

http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm This site has the full monty. Not only does it provide useful hunting tips and methods of camouflage, but also a complete "how to" program for a build it yourself.

Then there’s this, the American Extreme:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9s6_vufc1ns

 

Happy Birthday! 

 

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  • B-52 GUNNER

2hotel9,

I did take my Ruger P-85 9mm with me that day but most of the time was spent shooting the Lithgow.
I would take the target out to the trap and once I returned to the bench I would sit for a minute to allow myself to be at rest.
I would fire off a round and look where it hit the paper through my binoculars.
Then I would wait a couple minutes between shots to allow heat to dissipate from the barrel.
I would shoot only 5 round groups and then I would have to wait for the other people at the range to call a cease fire where I would change the target out.
Around shot 15 I was starting to get a little soar so I took a little longer on the last 5.
I also spent a little while showing this guy who was shooting a AR-15 chambered in .308 how to use his weapon.
He was shooting at 2 targets and said that he didn’t think he was hitting the paper.
I looked and he was grouping really tight on the left target and when I told him he said he was shooting at the target on the right.
After I told him how to sight in his scope he loaded a new magazine he couldn’t get the bolt to return so I had to show him how if you depress the button on the left side of the rifle the bolt would fall forward.
He bought a deadly weapon and didn’t even read the manual.
I told him to go home and read the manual and disassemble and reassemble the rifle until he didn’t need the book anymore.
Get to know your weapon inside and out. 

Scot

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

Scot, I was being facetious. When I am working the long range lane I take forever. And yes, it is scary the number of people swinging weapons around with no clear knowledge of what they are doing. I am lucky as far as ranges go, I can shoot at several and they are rural and usually empty, unless we are doing a large group shoot. Then I get little trigger time, I am usually the HNIC and safety officer. Again, volunteering raises its ugly head and bites me on the ass.

Still can’t post a pic, I are computer illiterate.

 

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

That is pretty cool, grimmy.  Once killed 3 deer with a claymore, though there was not a whole lot left of them.

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  • Sarah

For anyone considering skydiving… who fancies some sort of flying experience- I invite you to mosey over to youtube and run a little search for "Jetman"  the video you will find is one of the most awe inspiring scenes- and the fact that it’s done in craggy Alps makes the footage all the more dizzying spectacular. (Sorry for the threadjack DF)

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  • GrimmyWhere I'm at.

2hotel9:

Claymore hunting? That sounds funner than fishing with hand grenades!

So, DF, which did ya pick? The car of the chute? Curious minds want to know.

And on the gun stuff, get em all. That’s always the best option. That way, you’re never disappointed.

 

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  • Civis Proeliator

"To those of you who have skydived, what was the feeling like when you did it?  Did you feel like you were falling or was it more like floating?" 

Sister…it’s hard to describe the free fall sensation. Don’t know if you can compare it to either though "floating" would be a better description. You leave the aircraft (using the Cessna 182 as an example, other aircraft vary) at somewhere around 75 knots…approx. 86 mph…so you won’t get the roller coaster, stomach-in-your-throat sensation as you build to terminal velocity which is about 120 mph.

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  • tinga-tinga

Comment on dit "ARRG" et "AVAST" en francais?   C’est le 19 septembre, bien sur.

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  • floridasuzieFlorida

Changing my previous inscription suggestion a little:

Army of The Me - Fear The Frogman

floridasuzie

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  • the dissident frogmanFrance

Right, I didn’t dare interrupting and just enjoyed reading your comments. I want to thank you all for a great conversation, and a lot of great advice.

But enough violin.

Lots of great, inspiring or amusing quotes. I’m surprised however that none of you honored readers and nonetheless friends mentioned King Leonidas’ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ... It’s the ultimate cry of defiance against any enemy, foreign or domestic, and it’s short enough.

I think I’ll go for the Marlin 336C in 30-30 (or maybe the stainless one, the 336SS, not sure) as roughly half of you suggested. The Remington 700 is the stuff of legend, but it would be a crime to mount a cheap scope on such a beauty, and a Leupold or a Swarovsky can cost at least twice the price of the rifle - that’s a bit steep for me at the moment. Plus, as far as bolt action goes, I’m really happy with my Sig-Sauer, and I fancy something different, just for a change.

The Marlin will come at some €800, and iron sights will do fine.

I’m still undecided between the sky and the tracks. I want both, but that would be too costly. I’ll sleep on it for a while. In any case, I’ll let you know the final decision.

Many thanks to all of you,

Time to take sides

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  • Don meakerStranger from out there

I would  suggest a  nice self-loading rifle in .30 caliber.  You just about can’t go wrong with a Browning Automatic Rifle, but .30/06 is a marvelously adaptable cartridge, suitable for shooting invading  or retreating Wehrmacht, with lighter bullets suitable for smallish varments,  and with heavy  rounds  up to the largest game. 

Of c ourse Remington makes a  slightly  more  economical self-loading rifle too, and has for over 100 years. I understand there is a French company, whose initials are V-C but I can’t find a link to it just now. Darned things are pretty, but from what I recall of their price list,  rather dear.

 

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  • 2hotel9Western Pennsylvania

.30, in all its configurations, is the caliber of excellence. And of knocking shit down. Sorry, I have seen people take .223 hits to the torso and keep moving. That ain’t cool. Then again, it took 20 years to get me to carry a 9mm, and then only running 167gr jacketed hollowpoints. Uncouth, uncivilized and unrepentant.

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  • SPQRStranger from out there

For a hunting rifle, you can’t go wrong with a Remington 700.  Given that you are in Europe, I’m not sure of the regulations on ammunition you must meet, so either .308 Winchester or .30-06 ( long action version ) are probably your best choices.

 

If you want a fun target rifle, here’s a unique suggestion: how about a surplus Swiss K31 rifle?  Probably the most accurate as issued military service rifle.  It would be in 7.5 x 55 but just pop over the Alps and pick up some.  The Swiss GP11 issue round can be found in surplus form from the ‘80’s and its still astonishingly accurate.

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  • G.W.C.Colorado

Well, I’m a gunsmith, and very opiniated, so here’s my opinion.

If you go for a lever action i’d suggest the Marlin 336 in 30-30. If you go for a Winchester instead, try to get one that is older than 1964, or newer than 1984, Winchester changed a few things during that period(stamped sheet metal lifter for example), if you can’t find one that old and have to buy a newer one, HAVE THE LIFTER REPLACED IMMEDIATELY!

Bolt action: Remington 700 or a Savage, enough said. 22-250 is a good all around cartridge, or a .308.

Automatic: Stoner AR-10 (SR-25) 7.62x51(.308).

But, all that depends on what they’ll let you own there.

By the Way, I’d go with the skydiving.

Ever notice that the more lethal someone is, the more polite they tend to be?

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  • G.W.C.Colorado

Inscription: Nemo me impune lacessit. "No one provokes me without punishment." You gotta love Poe.

Ever notice that the more lethal someone is, the more polite they tend to be?

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  • floridasuzieFlorida

Inscription: >Nemo me impune lacessit. "No one provokes me without punishment." You gotta love Poe.<

GWC,

Oohh, good one! I love Poe!

SuzieC